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Author Topic: U.D. FUNDING ... A QUESTION  (Read 9497 times)
Mr. Goldberg
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« on: November 04, 2008, 03:39:50 PM »

Mike,

Talking to several Despo members recently the subject of funding was raised and the the key question on the lips of several was what EXACTLY is the money required for, exactly how much is needed and on and what precisely will it be spent ?

I think this only fair that members - many of whom are eager to contribute - wish to know where their money is going, on precisely what is it required and in what amounts, rather than just a broad brush stroke request fror donations.

Could you please therefore give us some itemised listing of the UD overheads and costs from the running of the site/servers to ancilliary printing costs for the magazine and the music side of things as well. Perhaps you could also keep us up to date with incoming donations totals and how they tally with the required monies desired to maintain U.D.

I think this will help everyone in the long run, giving us a clearer picture of UD's financial health and maybe even setting realistic goals we could aim for and meet. It would also encourage a group effort with momentum and perhaps celebration on meeting targets. I am happy to continue and try and source new avenues of funding for you as I have done so far, once I have a clearer picture of UD's expenditure requirements.

Many thanks.

GOLDBERG
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Vix0r
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2008, 05:05:12 PM »

You can't run websites for free, Goldie. It costs each month to buy web space, more if it's a larger site, and to pay for the domain every few years too.

I just assumed it was for that, and as this is a community site rather than a personal it kind of makes sense to ask for some help off the members who use it.
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2008, 05:07:33 PM »

Hey Goldberg,

Thanks for your question.

Really, I think that you're asking for a level of detail and knowledge that many organisations larger and better funded than UD would be under no obligation to provide, at least to people only tangentially connected with the organisation as you are. Many similar websites and fanzines operate with the assistance of such a donate facility, with no obligation to provide small donors with a detailed breakdown of costs/income and effectively a business plan, and we see no reason why we should work differently. We're not a large public organisation: we're simply an amateur group that has for over two years and at considerable personal expense put out a magazine that's free of charge and free of ads, something that's increasingly difficult to achieve due to costs such as the ones that Vix0r mentions.

Essentially, you either like what we do and wish to donate, or you don't. Anyone considering donating to UD should examine our record. If you like what we have done and would like to support it, we'd welcome a donation. If not, we understand and hope you'll donate to a similar organisation you have more confidence in or feel you have more information about. Whatever you do, support the independent media and independent music. if we were in it for the money, we certainly wouldn't do it this way...

I should of course say that if any of the three people so far that have donated are unhappy with this answer, we will of course refund their donation should they wish it.

Carpe diem,

Mike,
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Mr. Goldberg
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2008, 05:09:44 PM »

Yes but as with any funding like this people like to know what it's needed for and where it's going. Surely it's not too much to ask and I'm sure once people know and understand the pounds and pence requirements they'll be more than willing to donate.
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Vix0r
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2008, 05:13:24 PM »

I'm going to guess again, webspace and now paper, printing and travel costs as I forgot there was a magazine part too.
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2008, 05:20:31 PM »

Yes but as with any funding like this people like to know what it's needed for and where it's going. Surely it's not too much to ask and I'm sure once people know and understand the pounds and pence requirements they'll be more than willing to donate.

I'm going to guess again, webspace and now paper, printing and travel costs as I forgot there was a magazine part too.

Most people are able to make pretty accurate educated guesses like Vix0r and leave it at that.

I will restate once more: I don't know of another amateur group like us that would give such information to a person with little connection to them. If anyone thinks that's unreasonable, then we're sorry they feel that way but respect their viewpoint, and hope they will donate to an organisation they have more trust in.

Carpe diem,

Mike,
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Ploe
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2008, 05:42:25 PM »

I gave you my cyber rent analogy. There's bandwidth, web space and domains to renew. There's paper to buy, magazines to print and perhaps someday Ploe's to pay.

Hand over your hard earned cash already!
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2008, 08:16:29 PM »

I'd donate but I'm piss-poor and this annoys me!!!

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Mr. Goldberg
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2008, 02:09:03 PM »

So that's a "no" then ?
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2008, 05:13:55 AM »

what mike doesn't want you to know is that he's spending the funds on booze and porno
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2008, 12:09:34 PM »

Well joking aside...that's why I asked in the first place to obviate Mike from that or similar suggestions which may be mentioned about anyone expecting "donations". Mike I  have no interest in the fine points of your business plan or anything - if you have one - I would say beware on one point - to put your own mind at rest  at least have a chat with the Inland Revenue about how you stand - they do monitor websites and moneymaking pursuits can fall under their all too eager eyes when monies become liable for Gordon's cut . You could set UD up as a registered charity to counterbalance this. I only say it because I know someone else who got into hot water over this.
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2008, 07:24:42 AM »

Indeed,Gol butdieI reckon you should cover your shady tracks Mike....you don't want  people knowing of your 20 a day faberge egg addiction do you know?

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Mr. Goldberg
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2008, 12:09:51 PM »

Ha ha ! So that's what the little rascal was up to ! I KNEW it !
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2008, 11:50:33 PM »

what mike doesn't want you to know is that he's spending the funds on booze and porno

Indeed,Gol butdieI reckon you should cover your shady tracks Mike....you don't want  people knowing of your 20 a day faberge egg addiction do you know?

The trick is to combine the porn and the Faberge eggs...

...at least have a chat with the Inland Revenue about how you stand...

Thanks for the warning, but don't worry, this is in hand.

Carpe diem,
Mike.
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Vix0r
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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2008, 11:31:21 PM »

I should of course say that if any of the three people so far that have donated are unhappy with this answer, we will of course refund their donation should they wish it.

I would like that, yes. There are things happening here that I am not too happy about.
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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2008, 11:42:56 PM »

I should of course say that if any of the three people so far that have donated are unhappy with this answer, we will of course refund their donation should they wish it.

I would like that, yes. There are things happening here that I am not too happy about.

It's sad that you feel that way, vix0r. Just to show we're fair here at UD, I'll take the mighty 88p you donated (that's eighty-eight pence to those that thought they may have misread), bump it up to a whole pound and give it to your boyfriend, who can pass it on to you. That's 12p profit! What will you spend it on?

By the way, the statute of limitations has now passed on this one... no more refunds. Wink

Carpe diem,
Mike.
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