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Author Topic: Art versus Artifice  (Read 2689 times)
Mr. Goldberg
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« on: October 29, 2008, 05:29:51 PM »

Plato and Aristotle had differing views on this as to whether or not art was a reflection of nature. DH Lawrence found himself embroiled in a similar battle engaging on his own spats upon fellow authors - at the "cultured" and "cultivated" the "refined" who in his view had effectively declared war on nature herself by adorning themselves into the elitist trappings of "culture"  - artifice. Artificiality. Pretention. Poetry, literature, theatre, art, classical music  (whether you like it or not) are still by and large an upper middle class pursuit at best. Shakespeare wrote for the masses yet today is received largely by only reluctant scholars, academics and middle class theatregoers. Though you may (and in indeed probably are) one of them by appearing on this particular website bear in mind that 99.9% of the world population have no interest in this website and probably never will.

Does there come a point when art in all its forms - be it poetry, narrative, music or painting actually undermine the truer universal qualities to be found in life and nature itself ? Art for art's sake...appealing to probably 5% of the world population at most, the majority of which are far happier with a football match, a TV, a pool table and a pub than queueing in Waterstone's or delivering poetry via a keyboard.

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Mr. Goldberg
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2008, 05:35:35 PM »

.... and since when did Nietzsche metamorphose into Jack Kerouac ?
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2008, 08:21:15 PM »

Why am I left to quite constantly envy oulde Goldie's monicas???
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2008, 08:25:20 PM »

Quite an interestin' point of dicusiion this,and something I've ruminated upon in many a sociology class...Adorno thought that atrifice and its by-products are created to keep the flame and spark of the Working Classes dampened,did he not??

I think that knowledge should flow freely from the font yet also kind of enjoy being part of a secretive and almost elite circle of creatives.

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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2008, 02:57:16 PM »

Yes two very salient points those...art as the opiate of the masses or a private invitation to the Ivory Tower....inner circle...when both are at odds with everyday reality...yet draw from it.
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