Unquiet Desperation

Unquiet Desperation => The Mob => Topic started by: salvagemydream on February 21, 2008, 12:39:00 AM



Title: Convenience
Post by: salvagemydream on February 21, 2008, 12:39:00 AM
The less we have to try, the less we remember how to try.


And how everything has a digital replacement. eg:

Friends - msn messenger (keeping people indoors and ruining childhood since 1999)


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on February 21, 2008, 12:38:58 PM
cmon convienece aint all that bad if it wasnt for people realisng more convient methods printing and distribution would still be pretty much medieval.......I.E. NO U.D.


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Abi on February 21, 2008, 01:00:03 PM

I see what you mean here Rob. You're right Brett sometimes it's helpful. However to a more personal thing in peoples lives such as friends and such it has allowed people to be lazy. They don't need to call their friends or perhaps meet up with them as much. it takes away a little bit of the joy of person in person.


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on February 21, 2008, 01:24:04 PM
nothing wrong with laziness


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Abi on February 21, 2008, 01:44:37 PM
there is if it sabotages are friendship or something


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on February 21, 2008, 04:52:09 PM
too true


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Will on February 21, 2008, 05:26:41 PM
The less we have to try, the less we remember how to try.

The less we have to try, the more we get to try new things.  Glass half full man...it's the only way, or perhaps just my mood today.


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on February 21, 2008, 05:30:40 PM
wah?
the dlass is half-full,
if it was half empty id fill it up with ale.
lol
if i could be bothered.


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Will on February 21, 2008, 05:37:12 PM
I drank a little too much Carlsbad last night.  It was inconvenient for this morning. 


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on February 21, 2008, 05:40:12 PM
i bet it was
with my ever-present burning nauseous stomach
and a newly acquired head-ache
i felt 'uncovienced' today
only i aint drank since sunday


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Will on February 21, 2008, 05:48:17 PM
Of course convenience just leaves time for more work too.   


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Ploe on February 21, 2008, 06:12:42 PM
If each copy of our beautiful UD was a handwritten masterpiece, I'd love it more. But it's much simpler to distribute as a well formatted little gig, thanks to a DTP.

However convenience is killing certain ideals. For instance because of Supermarkets we no longer know how to forage or hunt. Unless you happen to be Ray Mears, and then you get called a cunt by people like me.


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Abi on February 21, 2008, 08:08:24 PM
its a vicious circle


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Will on February 21, 2008, 08:25:57 PM
However convenience is killing certain ideals. For instance because of Supermarkets we no longer know how to forage or hunt. Unless you happen to be Ray Mears, and then you get called a cunt by people like me.

It's because we no longer need to, unless you do it for recreation of course.  We're evolving and have new challenges to face like politicians. 


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Ploe on February 21, 2008, 09:15:35 PM
The ancient discovery of fire will sort those bastards out.


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Vix0r on February 21, 2008, 10:46:07 PM
Many people grow their own fruit and vegetables instead of shopping for them. Okay, so it's not foraging, more planting seeds and cultivating plants, but it's like being a mini farmer and a person of the land. You have to work to get your food.

Home made foods like breads and pies are also not convenient, but damned tasty. If I could cook and had the patience, I'd grow and bake all my own stuff.

EDIT: Also, msn brought me many new friends and opened up my "childhood" that bit more. Without it, and early teenage rebellion, I wouldn't have met someone special. Everything has a good and a bad side.


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: salvagemydream on February 22, 2008, 12:52:44 AM
There's nothing wrong with convenience in that sense. It's just when it gets unnecessary and pointless and lazy that it ruins so many things.

Think about it this way: is it easier to paint a painting, or buy a painting?

and which is the right way...


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Ploe on February 22, 2008, 01:05:24 AM
There's nothing wrong with convenience in that sense. It's just when it gets unnecessary and pointless and lazy that it ruins so many things.

Think about it this way: is it easier to paint a painting, or buy a painting?

and which is the right way...

Well those're two different things done for two different reasons. If you buy a painting it's normally because you admire it due to something inexplicable. If you paint, you've painted because you want to. It's nothing to do with laziness/convenience.

Your example is like saying read UD, or write for UD.


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: salvagemydream on February 22, 2008, 12:04:11 PM
I know what I mean...  ???


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on February 22, 2008, 12:30:25 PM
shame i don't


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: keysersose on February 22, 2008, 02:15:56 PM
There's nothing wrong with convenience in that sense. It's just when it gets unnecessary and pointless and lazy that it ruins so many things.

Think about it this way: is it easier to paint a painting, or buy a painting?

and which is the right way...

I know what you mean too, Salvage. :) Don't let these literary thugs bully you.

Well those're two different things done for two different reasons. If you buy a painting it's normally because you admire it due to something inexplicable. If you paint, you've painted because you want to. It's nothing to do with laziness/convenience.

Your example is like saying read UD, or write for UD.

Understand the distiction you're making, Ploe, but I think Rob's alluding to the fact that this can be considered at a more fundamental level. Sure there are the subsidiary motivations you mention, but at base the desire for a bautiful piece of art can be satisfied by making it or acquiring it. Too many people now are content to passively acquire; too few are actually ready to hew what they need out of the artistic ether. The former may be much easier, but it atrophies us. The latter may be harder and more frustrating, but at least it gives us a sense that we actually exist to do something other than graze like vacant sheep.

That OK, Salvage?

Keyserrrrr.


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: salvagemydream on February 22, 2008, 11:55:22 PM
There's nothing wrong with convenience in that sense. It's just when it gets unnecessary and pointless and lazy that it ruins so many things.

Think about it this way: is it easier to paint a painting, or buy a painting?

and which is the right way...

I know what you mean too, Salvage. :) Don't let these literary thugs bully you.

Well those're two different things done for two different reasons. If you buy a painting it's normally because you admire it due to something inexplicable. If you paint, you've painted because you want to. It's nothing to do with laziness/convenience.

Your example is like saying read UD, or write for UD.

Understand the distiction you're making, Ploe, but I think Rob's alluding to the fact that this can be considered at a more fundamental level. Sure there are the subsidiary motivations you mention, but at base the desire for a bautiful piece of art can be satisfied by making it or acquiring it. Too many people now are content to passively acquire; too few are actually ready to hew what they need out of the artistic ether. The former may be much easier, but it atrophies us. The latter may be harder and more frustrating, but at least it gives us a sense that we actually exist to do something other than graze like vacant sheep.

That OK, Salvage?

Keyserrrrr.

And that my friends is the nail hit right on the head.

Thanks Keyser


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: salvagemydream on February 22, 2008, 11:56:28 PM
shame i don't

Yes.

Yes it is.


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: moneycash on February 24, 2008, 01:49:40 AM
The less we have to try, the more we get to try new things.  Glass half full man...it's the only way, or perhaps just my mood today.

thought this was a great idea that went unnoticed as it spun off into a drinking contest.  it sounds to me that if you're lazy, it's a personal problem.  i work my ass off doing what i want to, and that we're so able to have that leisure is something i'm personally thankful for.  of course, the good fight's not over until that's all we have to do, and that's what i spend my time doing - laying those tracks one plank at a time.

now, i'm off to the pub.


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Vix0r on February 25, 2008, 12:04:47 AM
This conversation has got me wanting to grow carrots now. One day, in a window box.....


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on February 25, 2008, 07:24:49 AM
perhaps in Walden??


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Vix0r on February 25, 2008, 06:01:48 PM
A window box in Walden?


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: keysersose on February 26, 2008, 09:31:29 AM
And that my friends is the nail hit right on the head.

Thanks Keyser

No problem, Salvage! One of the few things I've got right in my life. ;)

Keyserrrrr.


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Jay on June 23, 2008, 03:26:36 PM
Ahhhh Carrots Shmarrotts sweetheart...try a few panises, geraniums, nasturtiums cascading into rhapsody


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on June 24, 2008, 08:18:23 AM
Don't foget orchids and gladioli!!!


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Mr. Goldberg on June 28, 2008, 03:08:37 PM
The less we have to try, the less we remember how to try.


Impeccable idea as ever Bolshy...contemplate this one and all: a few hundred years ago if a Yorkshire farmer found that his butter churn had  broken down - chances are he could have fixed it himself...TODAY surrounded as we are by the TV/DVD/PC/MICROWAVE/ IPOD/ PLAYSTATION/RADIO/WASHING MACHINE/FRIDGE how many of us are now actually aliens in our own environment ...most of us not understanding how ANY of it all works and needing to consult a specialist when it does break down...?

Kurt Vonnegut and even the early Gary Numan albums (Replicas/Telekon) touched on this  - alienation in the machine age such that there is a pleasure machine for everything up to and including possibly automated friends in the future which too can break down.  Huxley's Brave New World.

EDIT BY PLOE: I couldn't quite tell what was going on with the quotation box so I just removed it. It's easier to read with the text this size anyhow.


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Ploe on July 01, 2008, 12:57:38 PM
I remember reading that Japan (perhaps the most technologically elite nation on this sodding blue orb) regard the Instant Noodle the most important "invention" ever. That's infront of the microprocessor, think about that...


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Vix0r on July 03, 2008, 07:50:22 PM
I planted a few nasturtiums but nothing happened. I had fun watering them with my blue watering can though.


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on July 07, 2008, 01:02:31 PM
Surround yourself by Nature and arcane symbols of ages passed.
And even if you end up half-insane from the pollen and antiquated imagery,at least you've savoured what it means.


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Mr. Goldberg on August 13, 2008, 02:23:52 PM
I remember reading that Japan (perhaps the most technologically elite nation on this sodding blue orb) regard the Instant Noodle the most important "invention" ever. That's infront of the microprocessor, think about that...


Well... in a nuclear catastrophe what would you die of first - lack of PC Games or lack of food  (don't answer that Ploe!) ?  Makes you think ... or it should...often the most simplest inventions are the ones which getya through...there's that little blighter called the wheel for example...

For me it's the humble postage stamp (King Charles I tried to ban it as he didn't like the idea of the common clay actually communicating with one another other en masse...bit like net paranoia today). 

I know folk who never upgraded from record players to CD's let alone Ipod (which after all is a glorified Sony Walkman). Just as internet is glorified Yellow Pages. 

I did a lot of TEFL lessons on discoveries and inventions asking students for their favourites...common answers were : carrier bags, the pen, jeans, tin foil, cling film,  coathanger, alcohol.

It's all very well wiring yourself up to hi-tech gizmos but is your life any more enriched by it ?

 


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Ploe on August 21, 2008, 09:09:55 PM
I love the postage stamp, and the stock cube.


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Vix0r on August 21, 2008, 09:35:05 PM
It's all very well wiring yourself up to hi-tech gizmos but is your life any more enriched by it ? 

Yes.

You might see a "glorified yellow pages" when looking at the internet, I see an amazing network spreading like spider webs all over the world with people spreading information and ideas and being able to communicate and share and learn and explore. It's like a massive library that everyone has made book by book, page by page, and this library has books about everything, with bookgroups everywhere for people to talk.

It's not something you want to put down or belittle! That's like slamming all books because some of them are really bad joke books or porn.

Technology can enrich life. It can also lead to laziness, but then, so can every invention. Heart machines saving lives, motorised wheelchairs allowing immobile people to see the world again, cameras allowing people to easily capture their memories to show to others and keep for their old age, electric lighting meaning there is less chance of fires and burns, mobiles allowing people to contact each other wherever they are....


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Will on August 22, 2008, 02:57:55 PM
Technology can enrich life. It can also lead to laziness, but then, so can every invention.

I definitely agree with that, but technology can also bring new challenges that people less lazy than me can spend countless, productive hours pursuing.   


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: Will on August 22, 2008, 02:58:26 PM
Surround yourself by Nature and arcane symbols of ages passed.
And even if you end up half-insane from the pollen and antiquated imagery,at least you've savoured what it means.

I think this is the best advice I've ever heard. 


Title: Re: Convenience
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on August 25, 2008, 01:44:23 AM
Tis how I live my life dear Will.
Thank you.
Muchly.