Unquiet Desperation

Unquiet Desperation => The Wilderness => Topic started by: keysersose on February 10, 2008, 12:19:33 AM



Title: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: keysersose on February 10, 2008, 12:19:33 AM
Would guess that most of us here have fantasies of giving up the rat race for a life of artistic intensity, but we also all probably talk a good fight rather than actually doing anything.

So, I have to ask - what are we here doing to get ourselves on the road to being artists or writers? What are we sacrificing? Maybe we could help each other by giving examples of what we're each prepared to do, and thus show that it's possible to reject the bullshit.

I'll start: I've recently given up a bar job so I can attend a writers' group. That doesn't sound much, but I needed that job as my student loans don't go anywhere near what I need to do basic things like eat. I know I'll probably get another job, but in the short term giving it up will put me in the shit. But at least I get to go meet other writers!

What sacrifices have you all made for your writing or whatever art it is you do?

Keyserrrrr.


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on February 10, 2008, 11:51:30 AM
In the pursuit of atistic freedom i became a drug-addict and an alcoholic, susequently i lost the only girl i've ever Loved....te biggest mistake of my life....because i never achieved freedom...i became lost to a prisonof my own devise..


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on February 10, 2008, 12:05:55 PM
not only that my grammar,puncuation and spelling went truly awry!!!


laughs!!!


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: carter on February 10, 2008, 02:10:07 PM
not only that my grammar,puncuation and spelling went truly awry!!!

laughs!!!

But at least you still have an ability not to take yourself too seriously, which is probably very useful for an aspiring poet.

I'm ashamed to say I haven't really sacrificed anything, and maybe that's my problem. I read my poetry back to myself and it seems anodyne. Maybe I need to think about taking a real risk so I can write, something like having a new experience that will jolt me out of my rut.

Interesting thread, this. Am really waiting to see how others feel on this, as I'm sure what you all say will help me in my struggle.

Carter.


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on February 10, 2008, 02:15:12 PM
Lose your inhibitions
become that which you feared dee0pest
and scribble
scibe


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: nell8090 on February 11, 2008, 03:01:26 AM
in all honestly, sometimes i feel as if i haven't sacrificed enough.
i fear that i sacrifice my art for the sake of conformity at times,
and that my friends, is a shameful admition. 


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: moneycash on February 11, 2008, 07:24:27 PM
hours and days. 

time is so precious when you're a twenty-something.


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: -ConclusioN- on February 16, 2008, 12:09:27 AM
to be truthful i havn't sacrificed anything, it just comes naturally, being part of the hip-hop culture you jus go with the flow, if you good you good and if you bad you bad. Standard, One time.


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: Will on February 20, 2008, 09:20:08 PM
I sacrificed some emotionally tortured days of unrequited love...other than that its been mostly brain cells.  I have also sacrificed the safety of the roadways.  Sometimes I'll get an idea and write it down while driving.  Seems like all my best, artistic ideas come while I'm driving.


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: moneycash on February 24, 2008, 01:41:43 AM
Sometimes I'll get an idea and write it down while driving.  Seems like all my best, artistic ideas come while I'm driving.

you should carry a tape recorder.


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: Vix0r on February 25, 2008, 12:12:11 AM
I haven't sacraficed anything. I have done art since I can remember, so doing it at uni seemed only natural. I suppose this is the lazy way, the selfish way. I did this because I love art classes, the atmosphere, the people, the discussions, criticism and organised work. It wasn't so much to learn as to enjoy myself.

The problem I have is that I'm incredibly lazy and give up on my good ideas if they can't be created as fast as my head wants them to be. Thus I have many pictures and stories half finished, all at one time my great idea that I'd use to go somewhere. Currently writing a book now. Let's see how long that lasts...

Keyserose, if you've given up a job like that to advance yourself, then atleast you can be happy in the knowledge that you deserve your big break if it ever comes your way, whereas the lazy doddley people like me don't =p


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: Ploe on February 26, 2008, 03:26:44 AM
I sacrifice time. And memory.

Memories always lose something when being translated into writing.


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: Vix0r on February 27, 2008, 02:23:00 AM
Memories always lose something when being translated into writing.

Yeah, that's a bit of a bugger that....


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on February 27, 2008, 12:25:23 PM
its wondrous if you can make memories even more marvellous than theyr really where though!!


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: TheAberration on March 08, 2008, 08:34:19 AM
I have sacrificed more for art than I have sacrificed art for anything else. But is it truly sacrificial when the act is compensated... when Art of its own virtue brings such glory - can it truly be called "sacrifice" or ought it to be better called, "a rewarding preference"? For me, to abandon Art would be more consistently defined as a sacrifice than abandoning anything else for Art. Though, perhaps like an alchemist: I have only sacrificed what I don't like in exchange for what I do - transmutation of the Bad into the Good. I have indeed abandoned main-stream culture, most social institutions of my locality (school, dating, god...s, authority, etc.), those too prejudice for the discriminate  tolerances of good taste, and many upon many unfruitful idea(l)s for the sake of Art and my skills in the Arts.

Though sacrificing most opportunities for employment for my artistic identity, and many opportunities for sex and love (though perhaps opening up better opportunities): that is considerably sacrificial and perhaps even masochistic.


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: ~vxn~ on March 10, 2008, 05:41:17 PM
memories are echoes of past events... an echo always loses some of the original...

i have sacrificed sanity, love, life, time, will, desire, blood, soul.  i can only hope that someone will read my work or see a photo and be brought to tears feeling what i felt at the time.  it's all about conveying the message... and spreading it like disease.


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on March 11, 2008, 07:42:55 AM
Damn Right!!!
Like some Rimbaudian epic-spread the maddening malady and make the World listen!!!


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: ~vxn~ on March 11, 2008, 03:11:32 PM
indeed.


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on March 11, 2008, 05:40:14 PM
But they never will...


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: Will on March 11, 2008, 05:52:04 PM
spread the maddening malady and make the World listen!!!

If only the president were a poet. :'(


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on March 11, 2008, 08:47:18 PM
Vote:The Bolshevik Dandy.

Lower Taxes
Socialised Medicine
And Mandatory Poetry


lol


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: ~vxn~ on March 11, 2008, 08:57:25 PM
mandatory poetry!  i'll drink to that!


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: Mr. Goldberg on June 22, 2008, 01:19:20 PM
Do you do a lot of Drinking Vixy ? Drinking ! Don't talk to me about drinking. Bottle of Irish for Mccan and a bottle of Scotch for me's all it takes for lights out ! Parties !! What a party !! I love to throw a nice a party, who doesnt ? Little sing song, few speeches, blind man's buff and gesundheit ! Lulu bobbing on my knee. I often throw parties for people I dont even know yet. They soon get the picture. Birthday or no Birthday. Harry Pinter...now he was one of mine...


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: Mr. Goldberg on June 22, 2008, 01:27:03 PM
spread the maddening malady and make the World listen!!!

If only the president were a poet. :'(


LOL  ;D ;D ;D

Can you imagine ???

My Fellow Scribes...
Dont misunderestimate
The axis of evil for all freedom thinking
Quill Wielding Keyboard fighters
Who don't want to make this world a better place
For all polluting profiteers to live in
Weapons of mass instruction
We gotta smoke out the poets
We gotta bomb out the bombasts
We gotta find the whereabouts
Of Bin Laden and his Bolshevik Dandies
And their nefarious arty allies....


(Please feel free to  add to this in Bushspeak)


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on June 24, 2008, 08:22:10 AM
I'm a cyper-poet-terrorist!!
Fuck i'm busy!!!
I'm planning my next attack---suicide sonnetry.
 :D ;D


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: Mr. Goldberg on June 25, 2008, 12:33:41 PM


If only the president were a poet. :'(
[/quote]


It has actually happened you know...Vaclav Havel ..about 10(?) years ago...poet and playwright was elected a President of Czech/ Slovak Republic - I forget which. Apparently a very nice fellah and far too  nice to be a politician can't remember quite what happened but I think they somehow ushered him out again via early retirement.


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: Ploe on July 01, 2008, 03:13:38 PM
If only the president were a poet. :'(

If President be Poet, we wouldn't be subversive, and that'd take some of the fun out of being an artist.


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on August 25, 2008, 01:59:15 AM
RECENTLY-I've sacrificied a real social life due to scribblings and diddlers and the like.....


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: ~vxn~ on September 03, 2008, 12:36:40 AM
i've sacrificed the internet recently... went into hiding for many days.  only to write.


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: Mr. Goldberg on September 03, 2008, 01:06:28 PM
I wondered where you'd been o princess of the deep psychic recesses....


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on September 03, 2008, 03:01:46 PM
Likewise....it's been a bit quiet...Old Nats been chompin' at the bit..


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: ~vxn~ on September 06, 2008, 06:53:57 PM
lol.  yeah, well with the cruel politics of hospitals, exes & the not ex, and supermarket superstores--there is hardly time for anything else. 


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: Mr. Goldberg on September 09, 2008, 01:06:50 PM
You should always make time for Uncle Goldie Vix   ;)


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on September 15, 2008, 06:41:32 AM
Tis True Vix,you can't seny..


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: sinister_miss_nancy on September 16, 2008, 12:48:15 AM
Someone, somewhere along this post said something about not having sacrificed enough. I have succumed, on a few occasions to the idea of conformity and being, for as much as i hate the word, 'normal'. This is virtually impossiable for me, so my lapses have probaly only lasted for a day or so, but i find this helps me. I soon realise that to conform is just not my...way?


But sacrifices, sacrifices...pehaps a great deal of my sanity and a good dose of - oh what it is called again? - sleep? (I have a tendency to write at 3am to all those who are bewilded by that last snippet).

Apparently, every nights sleep you miss, you lose a year of your life or something...well, there goes my twentys  :D


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on September 16, 2008, 10:35:22 AM
I'm livin' on long borrowed time,in that case..


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: Mr. Goldberg on September 16, 2008, 01:23:08 PM
Ah "My Way" Wot an anthem....I prefer Sid Vicious' take on it than Sinatra's. Don't spare the audience.


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: ~vxn~ on September 16, 2008, 04:45:39 PM
I'm livin' on long borrowed time,in that case..

me, too. 


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on September 21, 2008, 02:46:45 AM
Recently,the past 2 weeks or so,I can admit I've sacrifced a good portion of my sanity(cliche,anyone?) but I can say this Truthfully.....I have episodically lost grip of essential thoughts and emotions...Tis a painful affair,all for a few words,Really....So I put this to you(SOON TO BE ANOTHER THREAD) AR THESE SACRIFICES WORTH IT???


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: ~vxn~ on September 22, 2008, 03:44:41 PM
yes.


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: The Bolshevik Dandy on October 17, 2008, 06:34:02 PM
Why is it worth it?


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: ~vxn~ on October 21, 2008, 08:29:48 PM
the 'art' is necessary--therefore the sacrifice is...


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: Mr. Goldberg on November 20, 2008, 03:43:01 PM
It has oft been said...usually by me..that women do instinctively create...men don't necessarily...as biological conceptors of the race it is their very genes. The subspecies man on the other hand is DNA driven to carry heavy objects and pour beer down his neck while requiring a bicycle pump for his ego.

Give a woman £10 and she'll buy essentials and basic groceries with it. Give it to man he'll pour it down his face (unless the woman is from Wakefield where she instinctively copies the man). Or unless its Vixen and she spends it on the next bottle of Vodka  :P


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: ~vxn~ on November 21, 2008, 02:57:22 AM
do you imply that vodka is not an essential?  lol.


Title: Re: What have you sacrificed for art? Be honest now...
Post by: Mr. Goldberg on November 21, 2008, 11:34:19 AM
Well actually I learned how to make it in Poland...it's basically fermented potatoes...so yes you could spend your ten bucks on groceries and still get blitzed. Whole process takes about 2 months is all.